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Sleep is broken. Kene Vernik is here to fix it.

19 Mar 2026

Kene Vernik has lived both sides of the night – on stage and in the lab. Now a sleep expert, the former musician is focused on something far less glamorous, but far more essential: how we rest. Shot at Laheranna ÖÖD Houses after a restorative night in nature, this conversation explores what modern life gets wrong about sleep – and how to fix it. You might not sleep the same after this.

Your career path is quite unusual – from the Estonian electro scene to sleep medicine. When did the night become more interesting scientifically than musically?

The night interested me long before music, as did psychology. Music was a hobby that simply took off – largely thanks to my inspiring, smart, and colorful bandmates I met already in primary school. They made my twenties unforgettable.
I committed fully to sleep medicine in 2014 while living in Berlin, although I’d already been in the field since 2006. I couldn’t shake the thought that while there are many musicians, there are very few sleep experts. That’s when I realized this was my niche.

You’ve been part of Mimicry for years – is that chapter closed?

Not entirely. I still sing and play guitar and bass at home, mostly for myself. I occasionally feel the urge to release music, but it would require real time and focus. I wouldn’t rule out an album in the future – just not electro pop.

There’s a stereotype that sleeplessness fuels creativity. Does good sleep kill it?

I think it’s personal. For me, creativity peaks between 10 AM and 3 PM.
In sleep medicine, you have to stay precise and emotionally neutral. Music is the opposite – emotions are the tool. When you learn to channel them, something beautiful can happen.

If we TikTokified sleep hygiene, what are the essentials?

Drop your phone – if you want to live longer.
Keep a consistent sleep rhythm –
without it, chaos takes over.
Cut caffeine – it destroys sleep quality.
Get daylight, move your body, eat well – that’s your foundation.

What do people underestimate the most?

Sleep duration. People think 7 hours is enough – it’s not. The average is closer to 8.5 hours. That missing 1.5 hours adds up to an entire lost night per week. And you can’t fix it in one go – recovery takes weeks.

If you could change just one thing in a bedroom?

Just one? Tough. But temperature. If it’s too cold (below 16°C) or too hot, falling asleep becomes difficult – even in perfect darkness and silence.

A simple trick to fall asleep faster?

The paradoxical technique: lie still with your eyes open and focus on one point. Your eye muscles tire, attention shifts away from the body, and sleep follows naturally.

We often hear about avoiding screens before bedtime. In reality, most people check their phones until the moment they close their eyes. How big of a problem is “just one last scroll”?

Massive. Around 96% of young adults and 80% of teens are affected. Screens delay sleep onset and lead straight into chronic sleep deprivation.

Many people say they sleep better in nature. Is that biological or psychological?

It’s both. A new environment can reset patterns – especially if you haven’t been sleeping well at home. There’s also a behavioral side: fewer responsibilities, more relaxation.
Biologically, fresh air and better temperature conditions support sleep. So it’s not just in your head – but your mind plays a role too.

Is modern life fundamentally at odds with sleep?

Very much so. It started with electricity – artificial light altered our biology. Then the industrial revolution standardized when and how we sleep. We shifted from polyphasic sleep to monophasic patterns – and there’s no real going back. In the last 60 years alone, average sleep duration has dropped by 1–1.5 hours.

People usually come to you when their sleep is already in a very poor state. Some never do and sleep poorly their whole lives without realizing it. What’s your message to them?

Try this: sleep 8 hours consistently for two weeks and observe how you feel. That’s when recovery begins. Many chronically sleep-deprived people don’t even realize something is wrong – they’re used to feeling that way. That’s the basic trick: hold a consistent rhythm long enough for sleep to recover – that’s when how you feel starts to change.

I know sleep therapists don’t interpret dreams, but what’s your take – do dreams carry deeper meaning, or are they just the brain processing the day’s leftovers?

They carry a deeper meaning, for sure. During REM sleep, we process emotions at a much higher intensity. If that process happens properly at night, we’re more balanced and less reactive during the day.
You don’t need to overanalyze dreams – just experience them and move on.

Is there a sleep myth you’re fed up with?

“Caffeine doesn’t affect me” – it does. A lot.
Also, “7 hours is enough” – it isn’t.
And the idea that “geniuses sleep less” – that’s a hard no. Chronic lack of sleep always comes at a cost.

Many people who have trouble sleeping start trying to control it – checking the time, counting hours, tracking their sleep, worrying. Can that make it worse?

Absolutely. In practice, we remove all sorts of gadgets and temptations from the sleep environment completely.

So why do problems feel bigger at night?

Because that’s when the mind finally has space – but the prefrontal cortex is tired.
Emotional regulation drops, and everything feels amplified.

 Your take is that pets shouldn’t be allowed in the bedroom. Most dog owners sleep with their pets. Have you had many debates about that?

None. If your pet is bothering you, then let’s deal with it. If not, let them sleep with you. The question is: have you noticed that your pet might be affecting your sleep?

There are theories about how much sleep people need. My mother, for example, has slept about five hours her whole life. I definitely need more. Are true “short sleepers” real?

Yes, but they’re very rare – about 5% of the population. They genuinely function well on 5 hours – feeling wonderful and energetic during the day, with no tiredness or sleepiness in sight. Everyone else is usually just adapted to being tired.

 I used to hate kindergarten naps – I couldn’t fall asleep but had to lie there quietly, which felt like torture. Even now I avoid naps because I hate the groggy feeling. Is that just me, or isn’t napping for everyone?

Around 60% of children stop needing naps after age 3, and by age 4, most are perfectly fine without them. Yet our system still relies on outdated, non-scientific practices, which has clearly affected both children’s sleep and their behavior.
I personally think forcing people to nap is torture. We’ve long understood how sleep develops physiologically and biologically, but as a country, we still hold on to old traditions and regulations – in many ways, we’re an outdated society still living behind the Iron Curtain.

Does never experiencing insomnia make it harder to empathize with patients? Like – just exercise, get off your damn phone, and go to bed at a reasonable hour?

No. I’ve studied psychology for 10 years and worked in the field for a long time. As a therapist, I have empathy, calmness, and tolerance – without that, I couldn’t do my job. Every patient’s problem is valid and shouldn’t be compared to anyone else’s – especially not my own.

How did having kids affect your sleep? Do sleep experts have perfect sleepers at home?

I had a gassy child with very difficult sleep at first. But with knowledge and structure, we worked through it successfully. She’s now a great sleeper.
Right from the start, I made one thing clear: I had to protect my own sleep. I had a strong support system, and everyone had a clear role. I always say this to moms: you have to protect your sleep in the first year. Poor sleep only creates more poor sleep.

Thoughts on the 5 AM club?

The myth has already collapsed. The club closed its doors and people were disappointed. It wasn’t based on science – just one person’s experience. And one person’s routine isn’t a universal solution.

What’s your ideal recipe for the best sleep in the world?

6 hours of work, 2 hours of movement, 4 meals, 1.5 L of water, and strong relationships.

What’s your guilty pleasure? We won’t judge.

Watching films alone when I’m off bedtime duty – happens maybe three times a month. But let’s be honest, I’m quite boring: I don’t eat or drink anything bad, I move a lot, and my sleep is very much on routine. So my real guilty pleasure might actually be karaoke at home, alone.

 If everyone in the world suddenly slept well for a year, what would change?

People would be happier, healthier, and kinder. They’d eat better, move more, stress less, and see both work and relationships differently. Work wouldn’t feel as hard, your kid would seem easier, and even your neighbors might bother you less.

Photography by Mia Tohver
Interview by Paula-Stina Tasane
Art Direction & MUAH by Elina Kuhta
Location by ÖÖD Hötels Laheranna
Outfits by Karmen Pedaru

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